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Post by Germany on Jan 25, 2013 0:15:33 GMT -5
It's quite obvious what needs to happen here.
And therefore I feel that Austria should lead the discussion seeing as he has a headcanon already sorted out for this specific event.
I'm not sure if you have one Prussia? But I know that I haven't thought one out that fully yet either. So we can work with the honored participant 'the victim' of this entire scenario.
I officially declare this thread open for discussion.
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Post by Austria on Jan 25, 2013 0:18:00 GMT -5
Basically it will be
AWW YEAH COME IN GUYS
No, not at all. And my headcanon for pre-Auschuss is not that strong. But let me thank you anyway for letting me to lead this discussion.
Austria really has nothing to do with all the setup of Anschluss. I can see him feeling some weird around him (atmosphere, strange people on the street, that kind of hint), but he knows nothing until... around 1935, when Schuschnigg started suppressing Austrofascism and calling Austria "the better German state".
It is definitely more complicated than AWWYEAH OOOOH. Roderich would know about the entire scheme by February of 1938, since Schuschnigg went to meet Hitler during that time. I think this is the latest start point we can have - it would be a good point building up feelings.
And yes, in terms of pairing, I feel like this is a highly PrusAus moment in history. Roderich was torn choosing his own sovereignty or partnership with Gilbert, but his heart (and his people) highly favoured the latter, so....
I am curious at knowing the Germans' perspective on this! Please comment.
And I shall add more details here.
A draft of timeline of how inconsistent Roderich is
1919- Citizens favour union with Germany. Majority of German border states want union with Germany. But the allies were cockblocking so that didn't happen....
Willingness = 75%
1920s- Constitution of Germany and Austria are written. Both implicitly stated that unification would be the goal.
Willingness = 70%
1920-1928 - Peace time! Willingness 50%
1928-1934 - started to feel all the German investment coming in (as well as fascism). A bit rejecting the idea. Willingness 40%
1934- Kind of struggle a bit, not wanting to be influenced. But the Germans are too buff strong.
to be cont
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Post by Germany on Feb 6, 2013 3:08:03 GMT -5
Pfff, I feel like such a dummkopf....for some reason when I read :
"I am curious at knowing the Germans' perspective on this! "
- Roderich Edelstein
I thought you meant Gilbert and I....but I see you meant it for me specifically. It seems I'm already in the mindset of 'Heim ins Reich'. Gott...I've fallen so far.
Well, to be honest, I've never really formed a concrete headcanon for this event for many reasons, one of them being that I've never had the opportunity to role-play with a historical Austria.
But, from what I've read I'll try to give you a bit of a perspective on Ludwig's point of view on the entire thing.
First of all, since German unification was not something new by any means, and was actually something that was stressed on by Bismark, and the Heim ins Reich was really just a different dress to the same woman type of deal, we can easily say that it was and is an idea that was very much ingrained in Ludwig's head. Also, it didn't help that Gilbert was one hundred percent for German unification and supported it full heartily, at least when Bismark was pitching the idea.
( I'd need to get more of a perspective on Gilbert's point of view on the entire German Unification madness that seemed to have stuck over the years. Because we all know that it wasn't something Hitler dreamed up. It was Bismark's brain child. )
So, it wasn't really that surprising when Hitler was so adamant on absorbing Austria into Greater German but nor did he think anything more of it considering Hitler had been going on about unifying all the German populated areas into the Third Reich.
Actually, for a while, Ludwig didn't think Hitler would go through with it but when the Third Reich started pelting Austria with German unifying propaganda, he knew it would only be a matter of time. It was also the politics and the popular vote of the people that gave away what was to come in the near future.
Of course, there is half of me that wants to say that Ludwig was only following orders and another half of me that wants to say that Ludwig was actually really excited at the prospect of expanding his territory and unifying all Germans, being the one to do it instead of Prussia. Don't get me wrong, he looks up to Gilbert a lot but at the same time he wants to make his older bruder proud by achieving the one thing that he wasn't quite able to do.
It's honestly quite a complex situation for Ludwig because on the one hand, he wants to keep the peace and avoid another international crisis but on the other hand, he's still upset about what happened during the Treaty of Versailles.
But, I think this is very important to take into account, the fact that Ludwig is still quite young and has such old fashioned ideals because of how Gilbert raised and trained him. I like to think that Kaiser Wilhelm II and his strange thoughts on chivalry and conquest is in a way similar to how Ludwig wants to perceive certain things. Except, that, after WWI he is quite aware that those thoughts are foolish and throws them away but they still linger at the back of his mind.
In the end, what I'm trying to say is, that, Ludwig feels like it's a good thing that the Anschluss is being put into affect because a Greater Germany with all the Germans united sounds right and is right.
Anyway, I need to think a bit more on it to really shape and form this headcanon on Anschluss but I hope this gives you a bit of an insight on where I'm going with Ludwig's thoughts on the subject/situation.
Although, if you have any specific questions feel free to ask and I'll try to answer it accordingly.
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