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Post by Austria on Jan 16, 2013 0:45:59 GMT -5
Please redirect all your questions, regardless of its disposition, into this page.
Refrain asking via other medium, as I consider this page as the primary form of communication, and might incidentally neglect other messages.
Other than that, do not hesitate to ask my answers, as there is nothing but the unknowns to hide. I am more than honoured to offer lectures on music fundamentals, if that is what your heart desires.
I do, however, reserve the right to reject questions that are highly inappropriate for the well-being of this community.
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Post by Turkey on Jan 16, 2013 16:37:54 GMT -5
Hypothetically speaking, if I won the Siege of Vienna, would you have run off to seek refuge somewhere else or would you have willingly become my piano playing slave? >D
Also, I was drinking coffee way before you Europeans. Bl I'm surprised you even managed to figure out how to make it rather than throw it away like you do most things you don't understand.
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Post by Austria on Jan 17, 2013 13:42:03 GMT -5
........hypothetically. I am answering only within the constrained variables presuming that my walls were thin to begin with for easy breaching, my men failed to discover your mines, and I didn’t have any reinforcement such that it took only a few weeks for you to complete the siege. I would have been a big fool if I have not prepared my capital to endure any siege attempts, but for the convenience of prediction, we shall assume that I was a senseless duchy which was incompetent in anticipating potential dangers from my amiable eastern neighbours, and that the fortification in my other cities were minimal. Hence, do not expect that you can ride the time machine back and find yourself in the identical outcome.
I shall be honest with you this time that my terrain has always been miserable, especially to outsiders. Conquering me completely meant sieging my cities located on the Alps too - didn’t sound viable to you when your troops had already suffered in high attrition from long marches, or did it? Moreover, no matter how powerful (or powerless, in this case) I was, I could not, and would never be able to control weather. Didn't your troops suffer in rain during October, and heavy snow during December? The climate would get worse as you advanced into the inland area, which would be one of the potential location for my government in exile. In this scenario, you might choose to advance northward because of the flatland, but that also meant you would not be able to conquer me fully. And no, I would never be your piano slave. Piano was not invented yet.
If the goddess of fate really bestowed her grace upon you such that you occupied the Austrian land and found yourself plenty of ammunition and food supply to continue on, you would find your heretic troops surrounded by Catholic league of knights outside Austrian land, mainly from Bavaria, Saxony, neighbouring HRE states, and random troops called to arms by the beloved Papal States. Believe it or not - Vatican might be angered at my impotence, but he would not let heretics leaving Europa unharmed. All Catholic countries or duches would have amazing casus belli against you. Let’s also assume your almighty armies did defeat these loyal alliances of mine and conquer them, you found yourself facing the Protestants. And yes - protestants did prefer the Pope over the Sultan, despite of the heated inquisition breaking out during that period. I really would not recommend confronting with them.
If the Catholic German lands were conquered, I would most likely be staying at Spain - Antonio was quite zealous annihilating heretics during that era as well. Under personal union of my house, it was very likely that he would dispatch his navy against your holdings in the Greek peninsulas. Not to mention - England was still considerably weak during that time, so Antonio was quite invincible. And you probably did not want to meet Portugal or France face to face neither.
If you did, hypothetically, defeat every European nation and subjugate us under your rule, it might only hasten your decline. Ruling a distant empire was not easy, notably with the unruly Christian Europeans (who could not unify themselves until being forced, then breaking apart again later) constantly planning to rebel and possibly siege Constantinople. You were a great nation and I would not wish to see you dying in cancer that shortly....
Particularly since you left me bags of coffee beans later. As for how I discovered the use of beans... Simply because I burnt down my kitchen one day - not the one in the palace, thank God - and noticed the smoke did not smell at all terrible.
I hope you are satisfied with the answers.
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Post by Brazil on Jan 18, 2013 20:00:06 GMT -5
So, I have one.. no, two questions for you, Austria!
First, so.. you and Germany are always arguing about whose musician is what and to Hell if I'll ever understand that but, after all, what is the deal over Beethoven anyway? Isn't he German?
And second, I noticed your surname was Edelstein, which is Jewish so you're Jewish then? Or rather, who was the important Edelstein guy? Alright, that's all!
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Post by Turkey on Jan 20, 2013 2:10:16 GMT -5
Yeah, plenty satsified with the answer, but I have an answer in response that I will write up later. For now, I have something better. >B)
I'm not going to be asking you anything per say but I hope you can appreciate the length and effort I went to convey these to you...out of the kindness of my heart. : )
One evening on the border of Austria and Germany 100 hand grenades were thrown from Austria to Germany. What did the Germans do? They took the pins out and threw them back
The Prime Ministers of Germany and Austria met to exchange notes. "How are things in Germany?" asked the Prime Minister of Austria. The German sighed, "Well, in Germany the situation is serious," he said, "but not hopeless." "In Austria the situation is hopeless," the Austrian Prime Minister replied, "but not serious."
The optimist thinks the glass is half-full; the pessimist thinks the glass is half-empty; the Austrian economist thinks capital was malinvested in oversized glassware.
Austrian economists never die; they are just dragged kicking and screaming into equilibrium.
Q: Why did the Austrian rearrange his spice rack? A: Thyme preference.
Q: How would you describe that play about Austrian capital theory? A: I’d say it was a roundabout production.
Q: How many Austrian economists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: All of them. First, Ludwig von Mises has to screw the bulb in personally. Then the rest of the Austrian economists have to spend the next 80 years writing about what a good job he did. A: None. It was screwed in a priori. A: You can’t make quantitative predictions.
Q: Why did the Austrian Economist lose his job as a supermarket cashier? A: He couldn’t figure out how to impute the prices without knowing what you were making for dinner.
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Post by Austria on Jan 24, 2013 13:06:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the questions, Herr da Silva. I shall answer them separately.
If we are to argue whether Beethoven is ethnically German or Austrian, it does not matter because, after all, Austrian is ethnically German. Thus I could potential lay claim on all "Ludwig's" composers, like Bach, and so could he.
If we are to argue with nationality by birth, that would not make sense also because the modern "Germany" did not exist during classical era, and if some identity must be attributed, it would go to the electorate of Cologne, which did eventually become part of the unified Germany that we see today; but bear in mind that Vienna was also the capital of Holy Roman Empire, the ultimate authority which Cologne was part of, hence all German composers could potentially be "mine" too. Moreover, mobility was made convenient during HRE, and all members gladly accept immigrants from other members. An Austrian was not necessarily an attribute defined by birthplace.
What I attempted to argue was that Beethoven left Bonn after 22 years of age to seek mentorship and friendship in Vienna, and never left the city until death. His music style has been considered as part of First Viennese School (Die Wiener Klassik) since 1834, seven years after Beethoven's death. It is confirmed several times and it should no longer be doubted that Beethoven did flourish in Vienna and contribute his most to the Viennese style. Rejecting this notion is parallel to rejecting Handel's Britishness simply because he was German-born.
I hope you find my first answer satisfactory. I shall move on to the second question.
No, I am not Jewish. My Jewish surname is credited to a wise rabbi who lived in the Jewish community in Vienna during the 13th century. This unnamed rabbi educated me When the Babenbergs stopped being manipulative and granted me certain freedom away from the castle, I met this unnamed rabbi, who educated me until the church acting irrational, expelling them without granting me a bishop. Before the rabbi departed, he praised my eyes and named me after "gemstone", hence "Edelstein".
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Post by Austria on Jan 24, 2013 13:21:00 GMT -5
B| Why are you still here. You.
Thank you, I do appreciate the humour inside the jokes. This reminds me that I often find it amusing to see the school of economics originating from my country had a far stronger impact on other economy, namely the United States. Perhaps their love for guns and private property is too stubbornly strong....
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Post by maplepolarhockey on Feb 1, 2013 23:49:55 GMT -5
E-Excuse me, Herr Austria? I have a question... I was wondering what was the first instrument you learnt to play? And also, if I'm not being to persistent, did you ever learn to play the violin? T-Thank you for taking the time to answer!
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Post by Austria on Feb 9, 2013 22:05:18 GMT -5
My first instrument was the portativ organ.
Church was more than compulsory during the early dark ages, and it should not surprise anyone that my first perspicuous memory was on my baptism. Being partially dragged by my monarch, I passed through the aisles glancing at the monks playing the Portativ to accompany my sacrament. Later I asked the monks to demonstrate, and progressively started my lessons in music.
Precisely, I did not learn the violin. All instruments from the antique world did not develop with a full user guide; instead, musicians often gathered and developed skills and aesthetics for a newly developed instrument as its popularity passed along. With folk music background in fiddle and harp from my childhood, it did not pose much difficulty for me to adapt to the new Italian instrument.
I hope I answered your questions.
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Post by Hungary on Jul 17, 2013 8:43:07 GMT -5
Since I already know the real answer to this, I want to hear it from the Roderich's own perspective.
Szia Roderich, the question I have for you is what exactly where your thoughts on Hitler? How did you feel about him becoming the monster he was and favoring Ludwig over you? I understand if this might be a difficult question for you.
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Post by North Italy on Jul 17, 2013 12:37:21 GMT -5
Ciao Roderich~
I've been wondering this for quite some time now. What is your favourite dessert? Is there a particular type of chocolate you like better than any?
... What would be your favourite pasta dish?
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Post by Austria on Jul 18, 2013 2:26:23 GMT -5
No, Eliza. Of course Hitler favoured me - what kind of person would want to annex a country which he once considered as a lost cause?
Have you ever seen a certain kind of love, so fervent and manipulative that the lover wants to alter his partner into what he thinks as flawless? Hitler loved me so much that he never lost hope in trying to erase every trace of impure Jewishness inside me. He wanted me to be completely purified.
I should have dyed my hair blond, wore blue coloured contact lens, drank whey protein, and exercised with dumbbells everyday. I would definitely look as attractive as the rest of my German brothers. Don't you agree?
-jokes aside.
Ludwig has always been the symbolism of all Germans, and since I am of German blood, Hitler felt that I was a lost child and should have returned to the glory of the Aryans. That was his sense of favourtism towards me, as in he understood that the Austrian people after World War I - and myself - had a strong desire to feel belonged to some group or the other, preferably with our own kin. He simply fulfilled the Germans' wish. My people were fine with it. It was just me feeling uneasy of losing my very own nationhood of almost an millennium.
National Socialism and Fascism were extreme forms of ideology. So were nationalism in the nineteenth century, enlightenment in the eighteenth century, Protestantism in the sixteenth and seventeenth century. All these ideologies had two side of supporters - one side supported them and considered them revolutionary and needed; the other side viewed them as radical, controversial, unacceptable.
It is the victor who gets the authority to record history with their very own value judgment. In this case, National Socialism and Fascism were defeated and were branded as evil thoughts for the rest of human history. Given that premise, we automatically assume that people in the past either were very evil for supporting such ideologies, or people were just helpless as they were forced to comply with the evil trend. Those assumptions are utterly wrong.
The reason why I brought up such argument is because we must be reminded that history has its grey area, and that I have once believed that National Socialism and its focus on German unity could be a very promising way for the German people to step out of the economic catastrophe that the Allies imposed on (or accidentally affected) us.
I was not aware of the existence of Adolf Hitler until I got to read Mein Kampf before the economy collapsed again. It was slightly more radical and anti-Semitic than what people believed in during that time period, which I did not quite understand what had he possibly encounter in Vienna. Anti-antisemitism is not new - we have burnt people alive several centuries ago, but that's another story. After Versailles and Great Depression, Germany truly needed an enthusiastic man to bring the country back to prosperity, and I had hoped that this would be the very end of German collapse.
Not until around 1933 did I start to see him going astray and feel anxious about this man. I thought that the power of a Fuhrer corrupted him to be more antisemitic. Later with the order to relocate Jews into concentration camps, I finally saw him as a dangerous man that maybe Ludwig would be better off without him, but that was too late... Ludwig had already turned into an emotionless working machine. Once again, my people had dragged Ludwig into total war. This is a personal guilt that I can never resolve.
Nonetheless, his monstrous deeds in Holocaust were unforgivable; what he deliberately put me through in the camps was absolutely abominable. However, if we disregard Holocaust and antisemitism (only for this examination), I thought during that time, and still think in this moment that he was a remarkable military and political leader who genuinely cared about the welfare of lower German classes. He just happened to love his Fatherland so intensely that he went mad and lost his way. In this regard, I feel that Heinrich Himmler could possibly be a more "evil" person than Hitler was.
He loved and hated me, and this is not a paradox. After all, the homogeneous Germany provided his nurture ground, but my mentality provided the basis of his very nature. For centuries, I have been unable to resolve my personal conflict for German-centric sympathy versus cosmopolitanism, and antisemitism versus philosemitism (I am certain that you can spell my surname). I still cannot resolve it.
Only if he had stayed in Vienna, then he might not have a chance to start another world war since I was so formidable that I didn't have any U-boats.
How I wished Hitler would have not gone to Munich and became acquainted with National Socialist ideologies. How I also wished the world would notice that Hitler was an Austrian, not German. At least the world wouldn't see me as a "victim", and I wouldn't have to counterfeit my Nazi misery...
Let's stop here before I lose the ability to rationalise my feelings.
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Post by Austria on Jul 18, 2013 3:05:19 GMT -5
Feliciano:
Hmmm....
Not sure if you still remember the old days - after the horrendous Dragées and before Renaissance, Germans were especially fond of fried dough with fillings... what we call krapfen nowadays.
I have a soft spot for creamy food (as evident in most of my coffee drinks), so Milchrahmstrudel easily wins. For cakes, aside from the overly famous Sachertorte and Esterhazy Torte, I also do enjoy many conventional ones. Oberlaa's Mozart Torte is certainly interesting.
I certainly prefer dark chocolate over other types of chocolate. Just like coffee beans - the complexity of the bitterness in the cocoa bean is what makes it valuable, don't you agree?
As for pasta dish, I am quite fond of Carbonara because of its bacon creaminess. Though Carbonara is a recent creation, so I would say that any pasta dish with pesto would be my all time favourite.
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